Edited by author 01-21-2009 11:36 PM
I can't argue with you on this. With so much info. on the mainstream media and by the status quo scientists with connections to big business, I think of the saying that goes something like, 'A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.' Also, for those that are 'self-appointed guardians of the status quo' and don't believe anything unless it is from the main media outlets, I am reminded of the quote, "They must find it difficult...those who have accepted authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." (Gerald Massey) not to say I was thinking of you, but in general from what I've been noticing lately.

If global warming does exist or not, consider this: I believe I may have found out why plain, simple awareness is sooo powerful. It is because one of the main ways a few powerful people can channel the direction of the masses to whatever aim they desire is as follows:
Called the Hegelian dialectic, also known as (and one of their known mottos) Order Out of Chaos, aka 'Problem, Reaction, Solution' (as simplified by David Icke). Just as the Oklahoma City bombing was not a big enough catastrophe to pass 'anti-terrorism legislation', along came 9/11 where the so called 'Patriot Act' that had been written long in advance was eagerly waiting, that legally obliterated basic freedoms unconstitutionally. Just as the Pearl Harbor attack was known about well in advance by top military and the President, used to get the usA masses on board to support an entrance to WW II, in the 1997 document Project for a New American Century with outlined goals (such as *increasing military spending, eliminating groups resistant to their corporate interests, expanding globalization by force, and furthering plans for what some call a 'New World Order'; see document for further details), "their stated goals would never be realized “absent some catastrophic catalyzing event –like a new Pearl Harbor”. (page 63)." (oldamericancentury.com) Then came along 9/11.
        So, now that one of their main techniques is known for molding and manipulating public perception (want to ban 2nd amendment? - have a few possibly staged group shootings be highly publicized, and claim the only solution is victim disarmament, I mean 'gun control'), how may that be linked to something like global warming? Now taking care of the environment, cleaning up pollution, etc., I'm all for; but not reached by punishment or force or loss of human 'rights'/unalienable freedoms. However, if at the top of the pyramid with the supposed all seeing eye, they decide they want to skim off more of people's energy in the form of a global taxation scheme called a carbon tax, it fits the bill perfectly (not to say this will be the final product; they may hone/tweak the concept, or come up with a totally different idea). This out look will bring much awareness and clarity in itself, and shed light on the reasons many things are happening now and have occurred in the past that to the masses don't seem to make much sense. An invitation to consider this possibility.

Here's another one real quick: World consolidation of money into the hands of a few that have set up 'central banks' all around the world for exactly that purpose (the one here called the Federal Reserve (actually not Federal, and has no reserves)), they then create an economic disruption, just like boom and busts are easily driven, like panics and the great Depression was created (for more consolidation and wealth/power transfer), so that now the offered solution may be a global currency with a global central bank to do this control on a global scale more efficiently.

And, while Milton Friedman had many ideas beneficial to an economy that could actually help people, some used what he taught in a different light pointed out in this 7 min. video by Naomi Klein and Alfonso Cuaron called The Shock Doctrine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSF0e6oO_tw


Ending with a quote from Henry Kissinger to put it quite simply, “Who controls money controls the world.”

The Secret of El Dorado (and it ain't gold)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8993313723654914866

real useable info. begins around 31 min.

biochar

charcoal

tera preta

Edited by author 01-27-2009 02:29 PM
"a"

Great info, really enjoyed the vid. Really sends the mind down many trails of interest.

As a side note the first thing that came to mind is a probiotic product Primal Defense from Garden Of Life (no affilation)look at the story of how Rubin came to find the product and his health again. Not an endorsement, more perhaps a validation of the importance of "tera preta". The second thought was about Activated Charcoal. Not sure where my thought process is going but an 800% yeild increase is to say the least impressive and important.

Thanks.

Edited to add a third idea/question, do you think that this is where "oil" comes from.

Edited again to add ... of course humanure also comes to mind. And were animal involved.

But one thing does bug me and it is the standard scientific answer for the sudden disapearance of entire civilizations, germs, if this is true were are all the bodies?

Edited by author 01-27-2009 11:25 PM
Do you have a link to Rubin's story? I didn't find anything easily. Very thought provoking question of where are 'all the bodies?'. I wonder if bodies buried in pure crushed charcoal would preserve well. I'd think there'd be at least a few bones around.

I have made some charcoal and today have altered some metal drums to further my experiments. I found this intro. to charcoal making very interesting because it's totally natural. Now I'm adjusting the concept but that video gave me the basics. It's kinda long, but if anyone is interested in old time charcoal making it's a fun video.
Good "how to" charcoal making 4 part video.

part 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=51...434669401&ei=&hl=en
part 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...369918059&ei=&hl=en
part 3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...764674138&ei=&hl=en
part 4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=18...220008547&ei=&hl=en

Edit: For those without video, the basics:
Flat dirt area with dirt raked back from circle.
Take thin kindling sticks and in a triangle or square make a tower of the sticks.
Then take dry pretty thin sticks or slats or whatever you have I guess, and begin piling it up around the tower so that in the end it looks like a cone of wood.
Then take grass, pine needles, straw, or other stuff and cover the cone.
Then put dirt over it all except leaving the hole at the top, the top of the tower.
Put in kindling to fill the tower, throw in some red hot coals, or somehow start the kindling.
Then once the fire has caught the wood, pile grass/straw/pine needles/etc. over the hole and cover it with dirt so that it's really gently smoking.
If anywhere later starts smoking heavily, throw some dirt on it.
!! The charcoaling process can go for days, sometime weeks. I think it took the fella in the vid. near a couple weeks before he raked the charcoal through the dirt.
After a while the pile will need to be packed in as the wood shrinks.
Days into it, if need be, open up a few small holes near the bottom to encourage the process to charcoal to every edge.

Making charcoal when surroundings are damp, like after many good rains, would be a safe idea. Having water near also. And being far, far away from anything else flammable.

If it really can prevent leaching of nutrients, and provide housing for beneficial probiotics, and ....
I am happy that the process produces such little smoke (which is also filtered through the dirt). If the heat could be harvested it would be great because the process could provide constant heat for many days if not weeks depending on how one does it.

a,

thank you for recognizing that not EVERYONE has video capabilities. As someone who has only slow dial up as an option (24k), I find that the trend to put everything on video these days very depressing. It's nice that you included what the video was about, in your post. Thanks.

Donsgal

Donsgal - I'm in the same boat of video just not being a viable information source.

a - thanks for the description!

Thanks for the links. What I want to know is where he found these soil organisms, how did he determine they might help people, how people can grow them themselves (so they won't be dependent on forever having to go to a company/corporation for them), and will they help my garden if sprinkled on the soil :) ?

That is one of the reasons that he has the corporation and we don't:).

The 'organisms', if memory serves, were obtaind by his dad from an 'unknown health guru' he was desperate enough to try anything, including dirt, and it worked or at least was the turning point in his downward spiral of degeneration/decay. This info was in the first book the Makers Diet and some marketing materials. As far as sprinkling on your garden ... would be very expensive turnip :)

What I am thinking (pondering etc)is this ... the analsys the scientists gave of the 'contents' so far of Terra P is very close to the description of HSO probiotic and knowing how anemic our soils are and the lack of nutrients left and contamination currently what if the soils are super enriched/super nutrient from the Terra P process/combination? Then ...

The plants yeild increases around 800% what wasn't included in that information was the nutrient content of the plant. Knowing that sprouts are super nutrient rich would growing in Terra P maintain a high level of nutrient value in the plant to maturity/food for consumption while maintaining a very happy garden plot with little maintenance?

I wonder if animals like this dirt? They usually have an instinct about this kind of thing that we seem to have lost.

The reason that my mind is headed along these thoughts is this ... for the past 16 years (at least) the gov/ptb have been trying to control alternative health and supplementation (and the alternative health aparatise is at times questionable too). Now that alternatives are taking a good size chunk from the pharma companies and economic times getting to be what they are they are more motivated. There are some signs of 'them' buying the supplement makers through layers of other companies to hide their tracks. An example would be Burt's Bees although quiet not exactly hidden. So I fugure that it will be necessary to figure out how to get the best nutrition that I possibly can from food and my medicine too (herbs et al).

Right now I am thinking about the Terra P from a indegenous peoples point of view, more practical. Where did the knowledge of this process come from or was it a natural outcome of their daily lives? The science says that they concentration of Terra P is highest around the settlements/habitations and falls off as you get a distance away, why I wonder? What part does the pottery play? Where the worms in the 'bad' soil or only in the Terra P and are they a necessary component? Is the organic material human, animal, vegitation and what percent?

Sorry I am rambling and not very well, didn't sleep well and I don't type or think well with out sleep.

Good questions. Another example I'm aware of is the 'Certified Organic' Co. Seeds of Change, which is owned by Mars Inc. , owners of Mars bars, Milky Way bars, Snickers bars, Skittles, 3 Musketeers, M&M's, Starburst, .... I was surprised at how many 'organic' companies have been bought out by major corporations. Good reason to save seeds.

And, a good reason to locally test the 'terra preta' idea locally, as in these strange times some ideas may be planted to veer people away from true independence and easy, natural health.

Semi-related example: I planted a couple different beds with cover crop. One I amended with rock phosphate, the other no rock phosphate. Pretty much 97 % of the sprouts of the cover crop planted in the r.phos. amended soil were eaten by the birds and other critters. However, barely any of the sprouts of the non-amended soil were touched by critters/birds.

This will be the third time that I have tried to post this message.

Them critters be smarter than us I think.

Thanks for the heads up on the Seeds of Change buy out.

And I have a boat load of web sites with Terra P info that I finally had time to search for although I haven't read through it all yet, I print out and get out the highlighter and pen when I am in the research mode, but I will post them in another message and see if that is the problem.

Edited by author 02-02-2009 04:11 PM
one more time ...

www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/terra_preta

hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/3451-terra-preta-parent-thread-started-all-3.html

myblog.michaelpbyron.com/2008/08/21/making-terra-preta-soil-ramonas-recipe-for-homemade-dirt.aspx

biochar.pbwiki.com/FrontPage

terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/seacharintro

www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/Make-Biochar-To-Improve-Your-Soil.aspx

www.css.cornell.edu/faculty/lehmann/research/terra%20preta/terrapretamain.html

www.energybulletin.net/node/29250

home.alltel.net/bsundquist1/tpgw.html

a ... the critter comment in my last post was in refrence to the birds and your cover crops. When I read my message it came out different :)

For simplicity, I liked the motherearthnews concept, and actually had come to think of that method as being easier. However, I may do the pile of debris out side of the garden bed so as not to fry all the good nutrients, worms, organisms in the bed. But if I have a big pile of debris, by doing an initial fire out of it, it would burn off all the little twigs, small branches (that are taking up a lot of space ) so that the pile could be raked into a tighter pile, then covered with some straw/pine needles/leaves then quickly covered with a bit of dirt to make charcoal of the rest.

a

There is always that first link 'www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/terra_preta'.
What I have seen so far is that the knowlege of Terra Preta has been around for a while and it was in the 90's that 'they' discovered that the main property (that surprised the scientists for some reason) was charcoal. That said they have not been able to duplicate the bacteria/fungus content or even identify the little critters.
My take on this is that they are trying to come up with something commercial, at least that was the unspoken message that I found here and there while I was searching.

I don't think that they will find what they are looking for though because I don't think that they want to look at what I think may be the missing ingredient ... humanure! That and just the daily refuse of life that a pre colombian family/tribe would have had, lots of fish I think bassed on the canals and the man made fish holding pools/ponds that they made, and somehow that pottery. It is obviously there for a reason. So far I have found only two references to the use of urine and possibly the pots as a devise to gathers 'it' for disposal later. Still thinking on this but in any case it has been shown that only adding the charcoal to the soil was of great benefit to the overall soil quality and did increase yield although not the amounts seen with terra p.

Would like to hear from Kevin and Donna on their experience with the humanure and if they are using it in the garden etc...

Edited by author 02-10-2009 08:54 PM
Ahh, the secret missing ingredient: (and it so far stays secret because it doesn't make anyone money, but we can all have it if aware :)

Carla wrote:
"I don't think that they will find what they are looking for though because I don't think that they want to look at what I think may be the missing ingredient ... humanure! "

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I was thinking of you Carla when I went to a Weston Price potluck last night and they showed a video of a presentation by Dr. Cambell-McBride about the topic of her book: The Gut and Psychology Syndrome, in relation to your mention of probiotics. I wish that video was on Google vid. or YouTube, although there are a couple shorter ones featuring her. And, it regards the possible cure for 'autism', 'add/adhd', 'dyspraxia/dyslexia', and other learning 'disorders' that some find are occurring more and more, especially in children. I really like that she stresses that it be done, and most effective by food, not pill/powder supplements, medicine, drugs, etc. From hearing what others have said about successes, and from seeing a few reviews, it sounds like it addresses whole health, in other words many more things than the book states it does on the cover. Curious to hear if anyone else has any experience with her practice.

Edited by author 02-13-2009 03:43 PM
I really enjoy Weston Price's work and love the Nourishing Traditions cookbook by Sally Fallon (with Mary Enig) based around his ideas (imo one of the best cook books out there).

Have not heard of Dr.McBride but will do some investigation next week as this weekend is the "Blacksmith Conference" so it will need to wait a few days.

As a side note for those of you not following what is going on in the latest mess in d.c. one of the items that was, not sure still is as *no one* has even read the stimulus bill that they voted on today, is the creation of a new office/department that will be a "clearing house of all the digitized medical records of everyone in the u.s." I will be looking to see if this makes it into the final mess. A really good reason to know how to keep your self out of the loop. As of my last look I saw even your vist to the Accupuncturist will be there.

'a'

If there were any gems that you found on the video please share. I am a firm believer that "we are what we eat".